4/8/2005 8:39 PM
Integral Quadrants in Three DimensionsI thank you for stopping by and taking a look.
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Newsflash: Coming to you from the voice of science past, from before its fall. Before teachers, science was the power of religion. That was a long time ago. Myth tells us what happened. And we don't believe it still. Now queue up 'The Wall'.. |
I'm a beginning student of Ken Wilber's work. I've read TOE a few times and I have used the Spiraldynamics work. I'm 1/3 into SES now. Compared to you, I know nothing. But I'm not stupid. I've used a watch with four cardinal points, I've used maps and I've read books on magic. I know a thing or two about the qualitative and process meaning of 'four directions' in the world. Because of this I wonder why a work that is about integrating: is not explicitly derived from what went before and why its diagrams mostly have arrows pointing away from unification As I very much want to update my language and master the Integral Vocabulary I find that I can't quite match the diagrams to a consistent inner model and that the inner model I have build from a study of the mysteries is ever so slightly off. But that is me. I'm not even done with SES. Another thing bothering this newbie as he's reading integral theory is that the presentation stays in the upper mental without refreshing dips in more engaging waters or even specific tangible observations. I enjoy the educational experience and range of insights this offers but I'm not seeing the central object, how we make it rationally subjective and consistent with real world effects. Perhaps this is too much to demand from a temporal phenomena! In my reading of the mysteries I've greatly enjoyed the real-world subjective link to inner experience and the experiential interconnectedness of symbols, forces, experiences and manifestations made available to me through the available rich symbol sets. In my study of mythology for example I, like many others, have realized it as the inner language of mathematics and while not a math guy per se, I have been able to nail down a rather obvious (to the initiated) match to Jung coming from the Laws of Electricity to help me synopsize and rectify some alchemical works. My integration maps through the electromagnetic force, others static/dynamic mappings such as one for gravity those for the strong and weak forces can probably be gotten from other specialists, and be found to mesh with the hard inner core of the mysteries As I've not been able to find key notions of simultaneity, interdependence, mutual evolution, intrinsic relations, shadow functions etc solidly described in Wilber yet I decided to come forward with some of my crib-notes, put forth 'what i expect' and ask for input.. In my pages on the quadrants, am I anticipating some integrations or am I missing some sort of boat here? Enlighten me; I'd be much oblidged. I realize that what I'm asking you to evaluate is a bit unusual, freightening and deeply confusing even, and that's just my inept writing. but that's ok, it's all really simple, actually. could there possibly be a mapping from the way you feel to the way you think? can you predict the effects of thinking to much? of thinking not enough? can you forecast the effect of action x on the entire system? I think you can, I think the mysteries let you, and I think the discussion about AQAL and P2P might each draw value from the discussion of 'how 3d modeling' at present, stands to yeild valuable distinctions for clarification of somewhat esoteric points.